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Did the Germans deserve forgiveness for those crimes that were committed during the World War II?
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You shouldn't believe in street polls. Street polls are often stressed to show, how bad is German formation, especially in History. There was a comedian in Germany, who often used Street Polls to show, how stupid young people are, Stefan Raab. But this is not a depiction of the average youngster but to blame the most stupid ones.Recently I saw a street poll in German cities, I was simply amazed that the Germans, especially the young ones, knew absolutely nothing about the war, about the blockade of Leningrad, about the Battle of Stalingrad, about the destruction that their ancestors brought.
Well, there were many Nazis in Germany, in the last three Weimar republic elections, 37 % (July 1932), 33 % (Nov. 1932) and already after the taking over of the Nazis (January) in March 1933 (43 %), the last one wasn#t a free election any more: This is still not the half of the Germans who voted fascism. Much to much and for sure, during the following years the support of the Nazis in Germany increased. But there is no base to say "most of the inhabitants of Germany are descendents of the Nazis". So this isn't a fact, this is a factoid.Indeed, in fact, most of the inhabitants of Germany are descendants of the Nazis,
Where do you take this numbers from? From November 1932 on, there is no more free opionion poll on this. And even the in freedom limited opinion poll, you might deduce from the elections in March 1933, when repression had already begun, with razzias, wild concentration camps and election campaign monopoly for the Nazis, gave the Nazis not the full support. The Nazis worse than the Eastern Germany communists, but the only elections, were a party got more than 90 % was in Communist Germany.since in the thirties, most Germans supported Hitler (about 90 percent of the population),
Well, this professor (in German we use the term professor only for the highest ranks in University, so this might have been a teacher), wasn't right, that's reducing responsibility to the Nazis. There were many Germans involved actively in German War crimes who weren't Nazis. But Command Emergency is a myth. A myth many Germans tend to believe in, because it is easier to deal with that. But that doesn't make them or their descendants Nazis.When I talked about this with a professor from Germany, he argued that ordinary Germans were not to blame, because they simply obeyed the order.
That's correct.It turns out that if they tell you to kill and you do it, then responsibility is removed from you because it was an order. But this is not an excuse!
I am very sorry for your great-grandfathers suffers.Two of my great-grandfathers were tortured in concentration camps,
As I already told you above in this commentary: Don't believe in street polls, they are not really representing average youngsters. I would even say:and I am just offended that modern Germans do not know anything about this,
Maybe you should rethink this. Although it is understandable, that, if your grandfathers were suffering German concentration camps, you don't a good relationship towards Germany, it is now you, who arrogantly look at others, because you are not differing between Nazis and Germans and not between Germany than and now....but live and enjoy their wealth and arrogantly look at others.
This is not the fault of school but of neurology. There was a study in Germany about 20 years ago. There were German researchers, who wanted to research the family memory. So they sent their research assistents into the schools to talk about this with the pupils, to be invited to the pupils homes. Three generations: The generation, who lived as (young) grown ups during the Third Reich (1st G), their children (2nd G) and their grandchildren (3rd G). At first, it ws the 2nd G, that refused to take part in the interrogations, as we may assume, because they feared, to know something about their parents, they didn't want to know. Or maybe they even presumed, that their parents committed War Crimes. But the 1st G was generally okay with being interrogated. And than the researchers made an observation although members of the 1st G admitted openly, that they have had sympathies for nationalsocialism or that they didn't behave during the war in an ethically correct manner, their grandchildren, and in some cases even the research assistents retold the stories mitigating or even omitting the uncomfortable parts. So the researcher, Harald Welzer and Sabine Tschugall, explained this with the sympathy, the grandchildren and the research assistents felt for the 1st generationers. They betrayed themselves, because they didn't want the grandfather/the gentle older guy to be somebody who had sympathies for nationalsocialism in his former life. Welzer/Tschugall published that in the Book (the title beginning with a quote) »Opa war kein Nazi«. Nationalsozialismus und Holocaust im Familiengedächtnis (2002).I believe that people should feel a collective responsibility for this, but as practice shows, ordinary people have long forgotten about it.
Asking whether they did deserve it, needs to point at a time. Did they deserve it; 1948, or 1957, or 1989?Did the Germans deserve forgiveness for those crimes that were committed during the World War II?
Atrocities are not to be forgiven, as well as denials of lessons to be learned and welcomed.
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